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I'd keep Rooney in a heartbeat . Ronaldo showed by his performamce today that yet again he underperformed on the big occasion especially when Rooney is not playing.

they say chickens come home to roost and maybe the result today will humble him. He does too much blowing his own trumpet for my liking like saying earlier in the week he was a shoe-in for world player of the year-pathetic!!!!Its time he shut up and let his football do the talking. Let's hope city's win today is a wake up call for the likes him and ferdinand.

Rooney is the real talisman as stats back up with 5 defeats when he wasnt there
 

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Jazz 16 said:
As much as i agree with your post, I still believe Rooney has been quite poor this season. I just wish he could recreate some of his old form in front of goal.
When he is there he brings the best out of others if not himself and today showed how much we need him.
Id pick Rooney over Ronaldo purely for the way he plays and the fighting spirit he shows.
Ronaldo may nothave stepped up when it really matters but he has saved our bacon many times this season ALREADY....
but as Ferg said he should stop blowing his own trumpet and do the talking on the pitch.

Fair enough Jazz but at the same time although Ronaldo may have more than twice as many goals as Wazza the latter is still more important to the team. The only area where Rooney is falling down is his goals per shots ratio. He seems to lack confidence at the mo in that dept as evidenced by the spurs game. But with injuries and suspensions this season this goal drought has become inevitable. hopefully between now and the end of the season he will have an interruption free run. On his shoulders our title hopes will sink or swim.

his general play is still immense and a clear example is the villa game in the cup when we including ronaldo were abject. All of a sudden United's favourite scouser came on and changed the game and Ronaldo came to life.

Starting on saturday against the gunners we need to go on another run and the football not the occasion today will be long forgotten
 

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Got to disagree with you ther mate. The only big game that I can recall Ronaldo playing well in was the home game against roma last season. Okay he produces the odd cameo but he is nowhere near as prominent as he is against the lesser teams. I feel he needs Rooney more than rooney needs ronaldo to turn it on . Rooney in contrast is the essence of a big game player,

aS for Rooney being limited to english football I don't think so. He has pace, great technique,works his socks off and can score and set up goals. Such qualities would make him a success anywhere imo He has proven with England and in the champions league that he can more than match the best defenders.The only thing that would stop him is his temperament in a foreign league. still this wont be an issue as Rooney wont move abroad
 

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United_OG said:
has ronaldo been out of any of the games we lost? has rooney featured in so many games this season? didnt he have like two injuries already this season? to me its simple, ronaldo is the better player. ...

you have articulated your point well but we seem destined to agree to disagree. still that's what this forum is about and long may it continue.

first of all may i take you back to the interview he done last week. To paraphrse him he talked about being the best player in the world. The guy obviously set himself up for the big fall that was last Sunday's display. He needs to learn humility and fast. I accept that he is only 23 but thissort of infantile nonsense only stutters his development as a person and as a player.Even fergie talked about what's poisoning the game is glory hunters pushing teammates out of gthe way after scoring to milk all the adulation of the fans.

now to respond to your post!You make the point that Ronny has the mentality and temperament to perform on the big occasion.With the exception of the 4-2 game against arsenal at Highbury in 05 He has consistently underachieved against liverpool,arsenal and Chelski.He produces the odd special moment like the goal and assist at ghe emirates in November but thes flashes do not mask his overall contribution which is neglible on the big occasion.Same in Europe where, roma home game apart last season, he is simply ineffective against the top defenders on the continent. okay this season he has scored 5 goals and been a lot more prominent but lets get perspective here- it was against mediocre sides like spartak moscow, lisbon etc. the jury is still out until he faces real teams like ac milan.

in saying all that ronaldo is the wolrds best player against average sides that for example make up the bulk of the premiership. But even at that he was playing in 2 of our losses this season-last Sunday and the west ham game where guess who wasnt playing. He was below his best in those games and was lack lustre against villa in the cup til wazza came on and suddenly he and united started playing.That is why I say he needs Rooney as the latter by his mere presence inspires those around him.

rooney in contrast does not need anybody to perform consistently well as a team player.He seems to reserve his beswt performances for the big occasion e.g home game vs milan last season,last 2 cup finals ( where others were anonymous) and has never had a bad game against any of the big three. Even when by his standards he had an unexceptional season the last campaign(due mainly to unwarranted suspensions,tiredness after the world cup when he was forced to play while injured, and being played out of position) he never shirked his responsibiity and chased down lost causes covering every blade of grass in the process.His attitude is so much superior to Ronaldos in that despite being extravagantly talented, he is prepared to scrap for the team.that is why he is loved at ot and that most united fans I know and even in this debate the majority of contributors would choose the scouser over the madeira man.

In relation to what Europe think so what! It is what United fans think that counts that matters. yes rooney is more suited to a British style team and with him being a family man he wont move abroad.okay Ronaldo may adapt better to playing for a continental side but thats for another debate not this one.Even still when you mention Euro 2004 i dont recall ronaldo doing anything out of the ordinary certainly not compared to rooney who announced himself on the world scene with some breathtaking performances. As for 2006 world cup he didnt impress me that much which anyway was a poor tournament for attacking play.

i sincerely hope come may to revise what I have said here but athis moment its rooney for me

off to bed now so hope to talk more tomorrow

p.s let's all keep the faith:)
 
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