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We need a play maker, someone who looks for and wants the ball at all times. Carrick does this when he is in front of the back four and Fletch does it but not without much spark or creativity. Do you think SAF is worried about having an attachking play maker if we already play with two wingers and two strikers? Doesn't leave many to help out the back four.

Interesting to see if any new central midfielders come in over the summer. A fit Hargraves is hopefully the answer.
 

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I don't know why a lot of them have lose faith in Nani..He is young but he has demonstrated that he can scores and make assists.
Anderson has a less impact than Nani but all the peolpe say that he is a class player. However I think that both need time so we don't need Palacios.
Let's see Tosic
 

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in my time supporting utd we have mostly had outstanding midfield terriers that the team was built around players like robson ,ince ,keane ,whiteside and scholes{sadly he is no longer the same player} ; all these players could control the centre of the park ,they were very physical and box to box players capeable of scoring goals.
in my opinion the midfielders at the club at the moment are very weak and are causing more problems than they solve , you would have to add 3 of them together to get the equivelent of one of the old boys !
CARRICK- he can make brilliant passe's but he is a very timid type of midfielder who does not score enough goals and not the type who will excell in a battlefield midfield.
ANDERSON-very impressive last season and a box to box player ,but this season he has been dissapointing losing needless possession and has not scored a goal yet.
PARK-tenacious and a live wire but lightweight and has a nasty habit of missing the target after finding great positions .
FLETCHER- is the type of player who excells in stopping opponents and gets into the box and gets the odd goal but he is not creative when in possession of the ball ,not really top class but a useful player.
NANI- a show pony who is forever making wrong decisions never a team player.
SCHOLES ,GIGGS- outstanding players but utds future is not built around these 2.
RONALDO-best player on the planet hasn't been at his best this season but will he be here next year.
HARGREAVES- just the type of midfielder utd wanted but his knees are f****** ?
 

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Nani's main problem, IMO, is the fact of he wants to be exactly like Ronaldo. He's selfish and always is trying to be the hero of the matches. He loses the tempo of the ball while is thinking how to get through 3,4 players at once. And honestly, I don't appreciate that! He can be a massive player for us, but has a lot to learn.

Anderson, however shows glimpses of what he can be in near future, is only being a okay player. Maybe his lack of goals is concerning himself but I don't think he should feel this pressure to score... He's a great player and has everything to be world class..

We have now Tosic and is a great option on midfield, I'm really excited to see him playing.
 

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in my time supporting utd we have mostly had outstanding midfield terriers that the team was built around players like robson ,ince ,keane ,whiteside and scholes{sadly he is no longer the same player} ; all these players could control the centre of the park ,they were very physical and box to box players capeable of scoring goals.
in my opinion the midfielders at the club at the moment are very weak and are causing more problems than they solve , you would have to add 3 of them together to get the equivelent of one of the old boys !
CARRICK- he can make brilliant passe's but he is a very timid type of midfielder who does not score enough goals and not the type who will excell in a battlefield midfield.
ANDERSON-very impressive last season and a box to box player ,but this season he has been dissapointing losing needless possession and has not scored a goal yet.
PARK-tenacious and a live wire but lightweight and has a nasty habit of missing the target after finding great positions .
FLETCHER- is the type of player who excells in stopping opponents and gets into the box and gets the odd goal but he is not creative when in possession of the ball ,not really top class but a useful player.
NANI- a show pony who is forever making wrong decisions never a team player.
SCHOLES ,GIGGS- outstanding players but utds future is not built around these 2.
RONALDO-best player on the planet hasn't been at his best this season but will he be here next year.
HARGREAVES- just the type of midfielder utd wanted but his knees are f****** ?

Hargreaves is the man, but this season we do look a bit lightweight in midfield.

Agree with your assessments abolve.

How about Wilson Palacios?
 

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Nani's main problem, IMO, is the fact of he wants to be exactly like Ronaldo. He's selfish and always is trying to be the hero of the matches. He loses the tempo of the ball while is thinking how to get through 3,4 players at once. And honestly, I don't appreciate that! He can be a massive player for us, but has a lot to learn.

Anderson, however shows glimpses of what he can be in near future, is only being a okay player. Maybe his lack of goals is concerning himself but I don't think he should feel this pressure to score... He's a great player and has everything to be world class..

We have now Tosic and is a great option on midfield, I'm really excited to see him playing.
- Said that about nani plento of times myself.

He has looked up to ROnaldo too much and copied too much of his style.

Because of his incessant insistence of proving himself and his selfishness, he is costing his team and Fergie has acknowledged this by limiting his playing time.

However, Ronaldo was equally frustrating in his first few seasons. I'm not writing Nani of quite yet, but he nees to do some soul-searching, watch some DVDs of his performance and decide to work for the team.

IF he does that, then maybe next season will be his breakthrough season.
 

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Mellory said:
Nani's main problem, IMO, is the fact of he wants to be exactly like Ronaldo. He's selfish and always is trying to be the hero of the matches. He loses the tempo of the ball while is thinking how to get through 3,4 players at once. And honestly, I don't appreciate that! He can be a massive player for us, but has a lot to learn.

Anderson, however shows glimpses of what he can be in near future, is only being a okay player. Maybe his lack of goals is concerning himself but I don't think he should feel this pressure to score... He's a great player and has everything to be world class..

We have now Tosic and is a great option on midfield, I'm really excited to see him playing.
- Said that about nani plento of times myself.

He has looked up to ROnaldo too much and copied too much of his style.

Because of his incessant insistence of proving himself and his selfishness, he is costing his team and Fergie has acknowledged this by limiting his playing time.

However, Ronaldo was equally frustrating in his first few seasons. I'm not writing Nani of quite yet, but he nees to do some soul-searching, watch some DVDs of his performance and decide to work for the team.

IF he does that, then maybe next season will be his breakthrough season.
Well, part of the problem is that he IS a lot like Ronaldo. He's a winger, fast, short dribles, quick shots at goal, my view of him is that he lacks better crossing skills. If, like you guys say, he's been playing in a midfield position, firther back than he likes, and is used to, it's normal he's not adjusting so well. Add to that the fact that he clearly wants to prove himself, you get the makings of a potential flop. I thin it was too soon for nani to move to OT. It would have been easier, and probably better for both United and Nani to let him stay in Sporting for another year. While Ronaldo arrived at OT with beckan gone, and a space for him in the team, nani had no such space. And when he gets to play, he feels he needs to prove himself, pretty much like all the others, berba, tevez, anderson. I don't think there's room in the 1st team for Nani at the moment, and with that in mind, united need a proper midfielder to add creativity and pace. Problem is, anyone that can get into the 1st team in a short time is already at big clubs, so can you afford to pay, when the market is unbalanced at the moment because of city's antics????

If I had the means, and the possibility, I'd go for Messi ;)
 

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- Said that about nani plento of times myself.

He has looked up to ROnaldo too much and copied too much of his style.

Because of his incessant insistence of proving himself and his selfishness, he is costing his team and Fergie has acknowledged this by limiting his playing time.

However, Ronaldo was equally frustrating in his first few seasons. I'm not writing Nani of quite yet, but he nees to do some soul-searching, watch some DVDs of his performance and decide to work for the team.

IF he does that, then maybe next season will be his breakthrough season.
The difference is, Ronaldo actually could dribble! Nani isnt even a good dribbler at all he just tries to! Maybe it worked in the easy portugese league but i really don't think he's a good dribbler even
 

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The difference is, Ronaldo actually could dribble! Nani isnt even a good dribbler at all he just tries to! Maybe it worked in the easy portugese league but i really don't think he's a good dribbler even
Yes! When Ronaldo came to Manchester he was like Nani, selfish and dribbler. But I said to myself "He is really good at dribbling". Nani is even close to Ronaldo. That need of proving himself with dribble skills is not helping him at all, let alone the team.

Ronaldo was "molded" by SAF and Scolari to use his skills for team's advantage, for playing coletive football, for the team! Nani won't get better if he realizes that too...

The actually word is not mold, but I didn't found a better at the moment. (Need to play Boggle - -').
 

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Yes! When Ronaldo came to Manchester he was like Nani, selfish and dribbler. But I said to myself "He is really good at dribbling". Nani is even close to Ronaldo. That need of proving himself with dribble skills is not helping him at all, let alone the team.

Ronaldo was "molded" by SAF and Scolari to use his skills for team's advantage, for playing coletive football, for the team! Nani won't get better if he realizes that too...

The actually word is not mold, but I didn't found a better at the moment. (Need to play Boggle - -').
There's also a few differences. When Ronaldo joined, he didn't have the pressure nani has, since he didn't have much competition for the spot. Not only that, he was something relatively new in EPL when he arrived. Nani, on the other hand, doesn't have that. He has less room for failure, and less chances to prove himself. Like i said, an extra year here might have been better for him...
 

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Hargreaves is the man, but this season we do look a bit lightweight in midfield.

Agree with your assessments abolve.

How about Wilson Palacios?

i definatly think that palacios would beef us up in the middle of the pitch and if somebody could hold the opponents then players like anderson and carrick could perhaps be more creative around the danger zone .
but at the end of the day we have got about 4 midfielders who can't score and are not creative enough and i think come the summer they should be sent packing and get a couple of tougher players ,palacios would be a tougher type that would be suited to utds pressing attacking play.
 

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i definatly think that palacios would beef us up in the middle of the pitch and if somebody could hold the opponents then players like anderson and carrick could perhaps be more creative around the danger zone .
but at the end of the day we have got about 4 midfielders who can't score and are not creative enough and i think come the summer they should be sent packing and get a couple of tougher players ,palacios would be a tougher type that would be suited to utds pressing attacking play.
tbh, I'd be happy to let Giggs, as well as Scholes retire with dignity and bring in a creative/playmaker type.

We have Carrick, Fletcher, Hargreaves & Anderson. If hargo recovers well (as I'm praying he does) we have a good midfielder, but just need a creative guy who can unlock defenses and score the odd goal ala Fabregas.

If Hargo does not recover, then Palacios or De Rossi type player would be needed too.

Anderson, has so many skills that he could be an attacking midfielder, but he's not pushing on from last season. He's young and time will tell, but what are we going to do in the mean time?
 

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Well, part of the problem is that he IS a lot like Ronaldo. He's a winger, fast, short dribles, quick shots at goal, my view of him is that he lacks better crossing skills. If, like you guys say, he's been playing in a midfield position, firther back than he likes, and is used to, it's normal he's not adjusting so well. Add to that the fact that he clearly wants to prove himself, you get the makings of a potential flop. I thin it was too soon for nani to move to OT. It would have been easier, and probably better for both United and Nani to let him stay in Sporting for another year. While Ronaldo arrived at OT with beckan gone, and a space for him in the team, nani had no such space. And when he gets to play, he feels he needs to prove himself, pretty much like all the others, berba, tevez, anderson. I don't think there's room in the 1st team for Nani at the moment, and with that in mind, united need a proper midfielder to add creativity and pace. Problem is, anyone that can get into the 1st team in a short time is already at big clubs, so can you afford to pay, when the market is unbalanced at the moment because of city's antics????

If I had the means, and the possibility, I'd go for Messi ;)
You know, in the summer of '06 I was wishing for two players: Fernando Torres and Nani.

I thought Nani can be better than Ribery - he's only 19, he's fast, he's got great ball skills, he's determined, he can score.....

And I'm glad he came. For all his flaws, he was vital last season. Without his assists or goals, we probably would not have won the EPL last season.

So I am fine with his point of entance to OT.

I think that he maybe thought he had it too easy though. He actually was getting quite a few games last season. More than this season for sure and maybe got complacent.

Maybe he and Anderson are suffering from a sophomore year syndrome, but it's only in his head. Someone needs to tell him that. Just start playing for the team. Then people will talk about nani. if you just play for Nani, he's going to continue frustrating his team mates and himself.

Another thing he needs to do is learn to keep running once he has built up speed. The guy nees a few yeards to get going and so he should stop doing the bloody stupid step-over fakes that don't fool anybody and just keep running.

Messi at United would give me wet dreams and disrupt my happy life with my fiancee.
 

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the fact is that we need a defensive mid, palacios would be perfect, although de rossi would also be a quality option.
we dont need, specifically, a defensive mid. Our defense is fine. Its the fact that from them onwards, the team falls apart. Giggs is showing true class but it aint helping when he is the only one there. Carrick is doing all right. Hargreaves was a waste of money. He is not worth the money we paid him for. Nani is a clone of Ronaldo, except not nearly as good. Anderson has a lot of potential. but i dont think he is grabbing as many opportunities in fear of messing up. Scholes is just not having a good season.
We need a player who could recieve the ball from the Defense, and bring it up the field and make some opportunities. Too many of the players in my opinion are waiting for an opportunity to hit them on their forehead.
 

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Fletcher plays miles better than Anderson.Having the veterans like Giggs/Scholes available is a luxury we cant rely on for much longer but we still have Hargo to come back and im sure the more games the young lads get the more they will improve.
 
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