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werent sure if i should of stuck this in the bundas thread so move if suitable

anyway... what happened to this countries domestic football. rewind to the 90s and they were taking the CL in their stride competing with the best teams in the world.

think it was 97 when dortmund knocked us out and we met bayern in the 99 final and no one can forget the leverkusan disaster in the early thousands

i mean even tho we have moved up from the la liga and serie A, still them and ourselvers are still the leagues the world looks out for.

so what happened. where did it start slipping for german football?

btw not bashing german football because still some great historic clubs in that league with good talents but the stats dont hide the difference in success
 

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Go hertha!, but honestly some games are fecking boring, I sometimes find myself staring into space while the match is going on. Just my opinion. \not bashing german football either, its just a boring league sometimes.
 

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its easy, theres no money coming in.
Actually you are right and wrong.

The German Bundesliga generates more sponsorship money than the EPL and has the heighest average attendance of any league in Europe.

So there IS money, but the clubs are not competing with the top leagues, because they are clubs.

In Germany clubs are really that - clubs.

They answer to their 'members' - the fans and if you rack up a whole lot of debt, you won't get re-elected or you get docked points.

Also, there is a limit to ticket prices, which limits the clubs' incomes.

Several German club directors have known for years that Spanish clubs are in big big trouble.

So the money is there, but they are not going to become suicidal like the Spanish clubs just to compete.

They';re managing their clubs sensibly and when this current bubble bursts and prices as well as wages becomes normal again, they'll go shopping.

The other factor is a lack of young German talent.

There are some good players coming through to bolster the ranks of the National team, but not enough good players to negate the need for foreign talent.
 

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Actually you are right and wrong.

The German Bundesliga generates more sponsorship money than the EPL and has the heighest average attendance of any league in Europe.

So there IS money, but the clubs are not competing with the top leagues, because they are clubs.

In Germany clubs are really that - clubs.

They answer to their 'members' - the fans and if you rack up a whole lot of debt, you won't get re-elected or you get docked points.

Also, there is a limit to ticket prices, which limits the clubs' incomes.

Several German club directors have known for years that Spanish clubs are in big big trouble.

So the money is there, but they are not going to become suicidal like the Spanish clubs just to compete.

They';re managing their clubs sensibly and when this current bubble bursts and prices as well as wages becomes normal again, they'll go shopping.

The other factor is a lack of young German talent.

There are some good players coming through to bolster the ranks of the National team, but not enough good players to negate the need for foreign talent.
So basically the German clubs are being run sensibly and not racking up a load of debt and exploiting their fans. I'd take that situation over our present one.
 

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I think German teams still compete. Werder Bremen can give any team a run for their money.

When Bayern have a world class coach they are a world class team.

Good depth too. Wolfsburg, Hamburg, Hoffenheim & Schalke all pushing for the title.
 

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There are some good players coming through to bolster the ranks of the National team, but not enough good players to negate the need for foreign talent.
Half the foreign talent in the Bundesliga is American.

Bradley, Zizzo, Cherundolo, Berhalter, Arguez like half of Hertha's academy.
 

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Half the foreign talent in the Bundesliga is American.

Bradley, Zizzo, Cherundolo, Berhalter, Arguez like half of Hertha's academy.
There's the explanation for why the German league has gone shit :rofl: Or maybe its just a symptom...
 

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Actually you are right and wrong.

The German Bundesliga generates more sponsorship money than the EPL and has the heighest average attendance of any league in Europe.

So there IS money, but the clubs are not competing with the top leagues, because they are clubs.

In Germany clubs are really that - clubs.

They answer to their 'members' - the fans and if you rack up a whole lot of debt, you won't get re-elected or you get docked points.

Also, there is a limit to ticket prices, which limits the clubs' incomes.

Several German club directors have known for years that Spanish clubs are in big big trouble.

So the money is there, but they are not going to become suicidal like the Spanish clubs just to compete.

They';re managing their clubs sensibly and when this current bubble bursts and prices as well as wages becomes normal again, they'll go shopping.

The other factor is a lack of young German talent.

There are some good players coming through to bolster the ranks of the National team, but not enough good players to negate the need for foreign talent.
quite interesting. didnt know that. its still a shame tho. miss dortmund in the CL. had a cool stadium and great fans.

as they say the grass is always greener on the other side. so as many of us would say we would prefer that type of limited cash flow league do you think the majority of English fans would settle with that or expect more from their clubs to spend big and push on?

have we got any german lads/ladies on this forum?
 
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