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They aren't a big club and will never be one. They can't hold on to their best players if a better club comes in for them. When they've won 10 premierships, only then will they get to be a big club.
 

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*yawn*

Im bored of transfers now lol........its best to just wait till Sunday afternoon,when the teams announced and see whos there.......
 

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Rooneys_Temper said:
*yawn*

Im bored of transfers now lol........its best to just wait till Sunday afternoon,when the teams announced and see whos there.......
"Yawn" haha

Me 2..... my head is wrecked with all this will he or wont he stuff!!
Roll on sunday and we get it sarted:cool:
 

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anderson-son-son8 said:
They aren't a big club and will never be one. They can't hold on to their best players if a better club comes in for them. When they've won 10 premierships, only then will they get to be a big club.
That aint really a good attitude to take and is the reason the 'big four' are seen to be pulling away from the rest of the premiership. Just cos they aint pushing for the title dont mean they should just surrender their best players to the bigger clubs when we ask for them

As much as I would like to see Berbatov at Man Utd, I have total respect in the fact that they have set their price and we need to meet that to sign him. Its the same situation as with Gareth Barry. Because Liverpool are the more succesful club should Villa let Barry go at a cut-price fee.

Unfortunately the transfer market dont work like that and United fans who adopt that stance on "Sell him cos were better than you" are not fans of football. Who would relish a chance to go for the title against say Spurs/Villa. Remember the title races against Newcastle and Blackburn? Beats 3 games into season when top is United, Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool and thats how it stays.

Spurs are a big club and at one point in the 50/60's, Manchester United vs Spurs was the big game, the equivalent of your United vs Arsenal games of modern-day.
 

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Agreed. It's quite arrogant of us to think we should get him just because we're a bigger club.
 

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Agreed, plus I think under Ramos they could well push into the top four, though maybe not this year. We did not beat them easily last season and they have strengthened (bar Keane going). Ramos is a good manager. I wouldnt be surprised if they beat a few of the 'big clubs' this season. Foolish to see them as a small club.
 

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anderson-son-son8 said:
They aren't a big club and will never be one. They can't hold on to their best players if a better club comes in for them. When they've won 10 premierships, only then will they get to be a big club.
Thats very arrogant !!!

Fergie could leave in two years, we get a bum
for a manager and they could be above us
quite easily.

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This should be in Football Banter and we already have an extensive Tottenham thread there.... ain't gonna repeat myself.
Good point RFR ...

Spurs in Man Utd Chat :confused:
 

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That aint really a good attitude to take and is the reason the 'big four' are seen to be pulling away from the rest of the premiership. Just cos they aint pushing for the title dont mean they should just surrender their best players to the bigger clubs when we ask for them

As much as I would like to see Berbatov at Man Utd, I have total respect in the fact that they have set their price and we need to meet that to sign him. Its the same situation as with Gareth Barry. Because Liverpool are the more succesful club should Villa let Barry go at a cut-price fee.

Unfortunately the transfer market dont work like that and United fans who adopt that stance on "Sell him cos were better than you" are not fans of football. Who would relish a chance to go for the title against say Spurs/Villa. Remember the title races against Newcastle and Blackburn? Beats 3 games into season when top is United, Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool and thats how it stays.

Spurs are a big club and at one point in the 50/60's, Manchester United vs Spurs was the big game, the equivalent of your United vs Arsenal games of modern-day.
Well said Ant. Agree with every word.
 

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A lot of the younger fans, myself included have never known failure !!

It would do a lot of people a lot of good to go and read the history of United.
About when they used to play on a ground so bad the players had to spread
tons of sand on the pitch to even it up and stop them sinking. The changing
rooms were 3/4 of a mile away at The Crown Inn and they couldn't win a game
for love nor money !!!

That would be 1892-1902 ....

They might well be massive now. You can put that down to a disaster !

There but for the grace of God ...... it could have been us the size of Spurs and
they who ruled like United do !!!

Many follow United purely because of their success too. I guess I do. Where I
grew up in the mountains miles away from cities and towns we didn't hear much
news or sod all really but guess what ? News of United always got through, no
matter what someone found out about them !! You know why ? To us they
were this massive, invincible bunch of guys who were so good people from miles
and miles around would come to see them play. They could beat anyone - they
were Manchester United !!! News of them gets to every corner of the earth and
we should appreciate this, not act like we are owed all of this because we are a
big club !!
 

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Thing is they are a big club. As are Newcastle IMO. Both temas have the fan base,
both have the stadium and both have the players although theres just
something missing. As said before they're pulling away from the rest. IMO, the
following teams should be in these "mini leagues", although some don't actually
perform at the level required, Newcastle the best example probably.

United
Arsenal
Liverpool
Chelsea


We all agree that they are the top four and its between them

Everton
Tottenham
Newcastle
Portsmouth
Aston Villa
Blackburn


For me, these are the only teams capable of pushing for 4th and 5th spot.

And then the rest in another league to avoid relegation.


Tottenham Hotspur were bliddy impressive to me last season. The should have
beaten Arsenal at the Emrites, had an amazing comeback against Chelsea,
pushed us all the way at home and away so how you can say that they aren't a
big club is beyond me. They even managed to beat Chelsea in the Carling Cup
final and don't give me crap about it being a pointless competition. We were all
glad of winning something and not ending the season trophyless in 2006. So hats
off to them for doing that and Chelsea didn't exactly send out a micky mouse
team, did they?

In Europe they were brilliant at times to me an dreally should have been able to
progress further. Jols sacking was incredible, he was one of the few managers
besides Ferguson, I had a lot of respect for in the league. Ramos will drive them
on though and don't be surprised if they pull a few surprises out of the bag this
year.

Theres a few stadiums I hate going to during the year, Upton Park, the Riverside
and White Hart Lane.


Look at their players too;

Gomes > Top class keeper and highly rated
Dawson & King > Behind Vida and Rio & Terry and Carvalho, they're the
best defensive pair in the league
Lennon > One of my favourite players. A joy to watch while in full flow
O'Hara > I watched this kid a few times, once against Arsenal as a mater of
fact and he was simply awesome, left/right an deach pass a beauty! A massive
star for the future. I made a thread here
Bent & Berbatov > Forget Berbatov leaving for a minute....thats a quality
line up. Bent has socred some brilliant goals and had a great pre-seaon with them



So overall, I can't see one thing that doesn't class Tottenham Hotspur as a "big
club"





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antdevil78 said:
That aint really a good attitude to take and is the reason the 'big four' are seen to be pulling away from the rest of the premiership. Just cos they aint pushing for the title dont mean they should just surrender their best players to the bigger clubs when we ask for them

As much as I would like to see Berbatov at Man Utd, I have total respect in the fact that they have set their price and we need to meet that to sign him. Its the same situation as with Gareth Barry. Because Liverpool are the more succesful club should Villa let Barry go at a cut-price fee.

Unfortunately the transfer market dont work like that and United fans who adopt that stance on "Sell him cos were better than you" are not fans of football. Who would relish a chance to go for the title against say Spurs/Villa. Remember the title races against Newcastle and Blackburn? Beats 3 games into season when top is United, Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool and thats how it stays.

Spurs are a big club and at one point in the 50/60's, Manchester United vs Spurs was the big game, the equivalent of your United vs Arsenal games of modern-day.
Exactly. Great post.

No matter what club we are trying to buy a player from, we have no right to buy them for anything less than the amount his club want for him, no matter what we think about that price.

And after all, Tottenham were the first British club to win a European trophy. They are a big club.

But, going back to this season, Spurs have a great team, and some good/great players. Berbatov, (if he stays,) Modric, Dos Santos, Gomes, Woodgate, King (if they stay fit, are a very good partnership) Bale, Hutton, Bentley, plus any potential signings.

I think they may struggle if they get a lot of injuries and suspensions, but if they can avoid a lot of injuries and suspensions, and hit some consistency I can see them breaking into the top four.

Its possible this season imo, but I think its more likely to be in 2 or 3 years.
 

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yeah good post ant. hit nail on the head. only thing you can argue in these fans defense that demand tottenham curl over and sell is that what they are asking for is above the value of berbatov. but his their best player so i guess this is what his worth to them. if they dont wanna lower the price i suggest we move on before its to late and say well played tottenham just like 50% of the world did for us when we refused to sell ronaldo.

the other 50% coming from cities like liverpool :p
 

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another example of our fans arrogance coming through.

We should count ourselves lucky to be at the top of the pile at the minute, could all go at any time. We are doing what Liverpool almost did in the 70's/80's and dominate British football.
 
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