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Martin Samuel: Why Moyes is not the right man to boss United | Mail Online

There are those who believe managers like Sir Alex Ferguson have it easy. That all he needs to do most weeks is pluck 11 random names from a hat, sit back and collect three points for Manchester United. To which, two words: Aston Villa.

As plucky outsiders, Villa were flying. When they were everybody's second team taking on the supremacy of the established elite four Premier League clubs they played football for fun. The pressure was on Arsenal to hold them off, minus their inspirational fulcrum, Cesc Fabregas.

Then a strange thing happened. Aston Villa overtook Arsenal and looked set fair for that fourth Champions League spot, at which point what had previously been a prize to win became a prize to lose and the players began to feel the pressure. Expectation rose, hence the booing that followed Sunday's defeat by Tottenham Hotspur, and Villa wobbled. It is not easy being top dog, or even in the top pack. It brings different stresses, an entirely fresh set of challenges.

In recent weeks, there has been much talk of Ferguson's successor at Manchester United, sparked by Rio Ferdinand's endorsement of Jose Mourinho. The reaction to that has been the championing of a domestic candidate, most popularly the impressive David Moyes, manager of Everton. Therein the conundrum: how can the career of a manager punching above his weight at a small club prepare him for the Premier League's upper echelons?

Moyes has done a superb job at Everton. Since 2003, Everton are the only club beyond Manchester United, Chelsea, Liverpool and Arsenal to have finished in the top four, and were unfortunate to have their thunder stolen in 2005 by the fact that Liverpool, the team they edged out, won the Champions League.

More recently, Moyes has established his club as the best of the rest. Everton are consistently in the UEFA Cup qualification places and, domestically, will contest a second semi-final in consecutive seasons when they take on Manchester United in the FA Cup on April 19, having lost to Chelsea over two legs in the Carling Cup last year.

In comparison to the top clubs, however, Everton are financially weak and, as a result, play their football a certain way. Even against inferior teams Moyes favours caution, which is understandable, but hardly the best grounding for career promotion.

A top four club need to play on the front foot, they need to make the game, even away from home, and they need a manager to embrace that style. Could Moyes do this? The Manchester United board would have to take his word for it, because he will not be able to call on many examples that demonstrate a penchant for the cavalier at Everton.

Sam Allardyce was the last manager to achieve a similar level of respect in the game for over-achieving at Bolton Wanderers. His success was also built on dour determination and a team that lined up 4-5-1 and when he went to Newcastle United, a club with a tradition of open football, the relationship quickly soured.

Largely this was down to unrealistic expectations - Newcastle fans want the team to play like Manchester United even if the players have more in common with Manchester City - but there was fault on Allardyce's side, too. Nothing in his recent career tended to fantastic football and he was uncomfortable with the demands. The same was true of Alan Curbishley, who switched from Charlton Athletic to West Ham United and disappointed with his conservatism. Allardyce and Curbishley rightfully expected top jobs after what they achieved but found it hard to adapt after so many years winning games with the odds against them.

It does not seem to be such a problem in Spain, where even lesser teams favour an open style and managers progress up the career ladder without the struggle to acclimatise. Having said this, could some of Rafael Benitez's caution at Liverpool be explained by formative years with Real Valladolid, Osasuna, Extremadura and Tenerife? Even his successful Valencia team were not known for their abandon.

The Champions League clubs enjoy great advantages. Superior wealth means better players, deeper squads, bigger grounds, and, taking this into account, coming sixth with Everton might be a superior achievement to coming second with Chelsea or third with Liverpool. It is a certain type of achievement, though, one that does not necessarily school a manager for the task of committing a team to attack or for circumstances when another win will only attract barely stifled yawns.

We expect Manchester United to take the game to and defeat Fulham this weekend and, if they do, the event will pass unnoticed. Lose, however, and alarm bells will sound, heralding a seven-day inquest into the crisis. This is the pressure the elite handle every week and it is what ate away at Villa the moment it was assumed they were part of that group.

Moyes is no doubt a very good manager, but the question of where he goes from here is not simply a case of onwards and upwards. British Rail once blamed delays on the wrong kind of snow. For Manchester United, might Moyes be the wrong kind of good?
 

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I don't want Moyes. I know he's done a geeat job at Blue Scouse, but I just can't bring myself to like him, for whatever reason.

I prefer MON.

Although, I would prefer Cappello for 2 or 3 years, to let MON get a bit of experience in Europe with Villa, then go for him.
 

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I don't want Moyes. I know he's done a geeat job at Blue Scouse, but I just can't bring myself to like him, for whatever reason.

I prefer MON.

Although, I would prefer Cappello for 2 or 3 years, to let MON get a bit of experience in Europe with Villa, then go for him.
As I said on the blog article, Capello (to me) looks like a very good candidate to take over at Old Trafford while a long-term replacement is determined.

This would give managers like MON, Hughes and Moyes more time to prove themselves or other candidates to surface.

However, I still think Mourinho is the man. He has the credentials and the experience.

He thrives under pressure and has the charisma to inspire confidence in big name stars.

Something that I think both Moyes and MON currently lack.

But if both of them can get some joy in European competitions, their stock would definitely rise and make the ganuine contenders.
 

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Although, I would prefer Cappello for 2 or 3 years, to let MON get a bit of experience in Europe with Villa, then go for him.
Martin O'Neil has European experience. He took Celtic into the Champions League 3 times.

He also managed them in the UEFA cup & got to the final in 2003 then lost to Mourinho's Porto.
 

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Jose MON rijkaard are three potential candidates.

Jose has the biggest profile in england but i dont like his provocative style rather than having his team play free flowing football. And while i do think at united regardless of how he plays with the players we have here he would have good football being played, id also worry about potential stars under him because he expects instand success and would he develop players still?

MON is a top manager and has experience of winning things with celtic and has taken that mentality of having high expectations to villa. However his english first policy would be a worry for a club of uniteds magnitude.

Rijkaard would be my choice if he could get the backing of the players. He seems a classy guy, does not often resort to dirty/low style stuff which jose does and gets his team playing excellent football. He also develops players young players and the football he gets his team to play is always free flowing.

The likes of iniesta, messi, eto'o, and especially ronaldinho excelled when he was in charge.

Hopefully this is a while away though!

pz! :cool:
 

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i think moyes would be worth a gamble and even though it would probably take a few years to bed in he is young enough to last the distance where i dont think mourinho will be at any club for more than five years
 

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Jose MON rijkaard are three potential candidates.

Jose has the biggest profile in england but i dont like his provocative style rather than having his team play free flowing football. And while i do think at united regardless of how he plays with the players we have here he would have good football being played, id also worry about potential stars under him because he expects instand success and would he develop players still?

MON is a top manager and has experience of winning things with celtic and has taken that mentality of having high expectations to villa. However his english first policy would be a worry for a club of uniteds magnitude.

Rijkaard would be my choice if he could get the backing of the players. He seems a classy guy, does not often resort to dirty/low style stuff which jose does and gets his team playing excellent football. He also develops players young players and the football he gets his team to play is always free flowing.

The likes of iniesta, messi, eto'o, and especially ronaldinho excelled when he was in charge.

Hopefully this is a while away though!

pz! :cool:

What about Harry Redknapp ....or Mr Fabio Capello the DON....I prefer from either this two man...
 

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Martin O'Neil has European experience. He took Celtic into the Champions League 3 times.

He also managed them in the UEFA cup & got to the final in 2003 then lost to Mourinho's Porto.
He needs more than that.

At Villa he probably won't get to manage in thos big CL games, so he'll need to manage a lot of 'regular' CL matches tomake up for it.
 

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This article appearing is quite ironic actually. I was considering writing an article about Moyes and the United job. :p
 

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It'd be interesting to see Rooney's reaction to Moyes being appointed. :whistling:
Good point lol.

I happen to think Moyes could do a great job at United. Another fiery, no nonsense Scot.
Lets see how he gets on at Everton over the next 3/4 years.

Therein the conundrum: how can the career of a manager punching above his weight at a small club prepare him for the Premier League's upper echelons?
Thats bollocks anyway. Everton are hardly a 'small club' ffs.
 

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Hughes is out the question for me, that turn coat can rot at man city, Moyes doesn't seem the right man to me, i like him as a manager and repsect his achievements but just don't think he's the right mould of manager for man united... however, while Capello would be a good appointment, he is more defensive minded manager than we are used to. All depends on when Fergie chooses to retire to me, see who's available and doing well.
 

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Though good point jazz fiery thick skinned scot and does get best out of players he has, doesn't seem to bow to pressure.... So i'll just go back to saying re-assess upon fergie's retirement.
 

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Hughes is out the question for me, that turn coat can rot at man city, Moyes doesn't seem the right man to me, i like him as a manager and repsect his achievements but just don't think he's the right mould of manager for man united... however, while Capello would be a good appointment, he is more defensive minded manager than we are used to. All depends on when Fergie chooses to retire to me, see who's available and doing well.
You still havent suggested anyone though...:whistling:


Though good point jazz fiery thick skinned scot and does get best out of players he has, doesn't seem to bow to pressure.... So i'll just go back to saying re-assess upon fergie's retirement.
I think that's the most logical thing really. We wont know who is available until Fergie leaves anyway.

A few others could be in the frame in 3/4 years time anyway, like Keane or Bruce?
O'Neill, Capello, Moyes, Jose.... are all in with a shout as well. i wouldnt mind seeing one of those 4.
I had said Hiddink as well, but that was before he got the Chelsea job :rolleyes:
 

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Yeah i don't think i'd be great at picking the successor... lol
If we can't agree on one person guess i'll just have to do it! :p
 
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