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i've been looking over the 2002 world over the past few hours and in many ways he's the reason why england we're eliminated obviously it had also a fair bit to do with Ronaldinho, Rivaldo and co, but he was so good with both feet, great acceleration and just a brilliant box to box midfileder but we never got anywhere near the best out of him did we ? for 6.5m it was potentially a bargain ... well it would have been if we had got the kleberson of the world cup of japan and korea, it just confused me about the boy had so much talent but look where he is now, the Flamengo reserve team i do believe ... i have also learnt he has had some personal problems (marrying a 16 year old being one :eek: ) such a shame really considering we only got 2.5m back from him when we shipped him off to besiktas, but he has also since critcsed fergie for not having enough faith in him ... so why did Kleberson fail at united, because i for one know that he was talented enough ...:cool: ??
 

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I think he just never fully settled here. We've seen other players like Drogba, Henry ect all take time to settle but unfortunately we didn't give him that time.

I d othink he was very overated though. I know he had a great WC, but so did Nicky Butt, 1 tournemnet doesn't make you a great player so in that respect i think he was never going to be a world class player for us like Anderson will.
 

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He disliked the culture, food, weather etc...and never settled as the lads
above me have said. He was always a bit of a light weight for the Prem
in any case. he could play a bit but probably fooled a few people in that
winning World Cup. He had a class tournament but players can do that now
and again. He just got lucky that he did it on THE biggest stage.....
maybe his motivation and drive left him back then?

Or maybe he was just crap.......... ;-)
 

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You could also ask why did Forlan fail? I think it was the "playing for United" syndrome that affects some more than others.
 

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Jazz 16 said:
He disliked the culture, food, weather etc...and never settled as the lads
above me have said. He was always a bit of a light weight for the Prem
in any case. he could play a bit but probably fooled a few people in that
winning World Cup. He had a class tournament but players can do that now
and again. He just got lucky that he did it on THE biggest stage.....
maybe his motivation and drive left him back then?
I would actually agree with all of that.

What is it about Brazilians and personal problems though?
 

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Red Devil said:
You could also ask why did Forlan fail? I think it was the "playing for United" syndrome that affects some more than others.
I actually think selling Forlan was a mistake, he was just starting to come into some form and could have been a brilliant player us IMO.
 

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Jazz 16 said:
He disliked the culture, food, weather etc...and never settled as the lads
above me have said. He was always a bit of a light weight for the Prem
in any case. he could play a bit but probably fooled a few people in that
winning World Cup. He had a class tournament but players can do that now
and again. He just got lucky that he did it on THE biggest stage.....
maybe his motivation and drive left him back then?

Or maybe he was just crap.......... ;-)
i know where your comming from, but if he didnt want to play in the rain sleat and snow and not have your own culture to live in and very different foods then why agree to move in the first place lol ? a bit harsh their though jazz he really did have talent, no he's not in the same league as anderson is now, but for me he was more of a carrick ... somebody to dictate the play but he never seemed that botherd after all, his own fault i suppose, i just cant believe he turned round and slated fergie, i saw an interview a short with fergie about Kleberson and he insisted there was nothing wrong with his ability ... i still think theres more to this story if im honest it was never actually explained to the fans, not that many of us were complaining as he just never tunred up for us when he played really :(
 

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I didn't say he didn't have talent, I said he could play a bit.
But was he good enough for us? No is the simple answer.
What has he done since he left United? Nowt really.
He was one of Fergie's worst ever signings, so he was no great
loss really.
 

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Jazz 16 said:
I didn't say he didn't have talent, I said he could play a bit.
But was he good enough for us? No is the simple answer.
What he he done since he left United? Nowt really.
He was one of Fergie's worst ever signings, so he was no great
loss really.
Thats what i think. remember, he was brought in the season where we signed the likes of Liam miller, djemba - djemba, Tim howard, Spector(i think) etc.

that has been the only summer that Fergie 'lost it' in a transfer sense. (although he did sign ronaldo:D )
 

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yeah that was a bad summer in general, of course every cloud has a silver lining and that was ronaldo :D
 

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Thats what i think. remember, he was brought in the season where we signed the likes of Liam miller, djemba - djemba, Tim howard, Spector(i think) etc.

that has been the only summer that Fergie 'lost it' in a transfer sense. (although he did sign ronaldo:D )
I was just about to say did you forget Ronaldo but then I saw the last part :eek: I agree though that the Summer of 2003 was Fergies worst ever in the transfer market.

Ronaldo = sucess
Djemba twins, Kleberson, Bellion, Howard = fail (even though Howard was good for a spell with us he ultimatly lost it.)

Back on the subject of Kleberson, I think there are a number of reasons as to why he wasnt sucessful at United, most of which were stated above, e.g. Cluture, playing for United, English game pace etc.

Fergie obviously saw something in him, but he never really settled at United. Much like Djemba-Djemba, Liam Miller etc. the thought of them having to become the 'New Roy Keane' was a bit too much for them and I think they buckled under the pressure.

At least now we've got the right Brazilian in Anderson because we all know how the song goes ;)
 

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To be honest, I just felt we bought Djemba, Kleberson and Miller and these had to get into the team ahead of Scholes and Keane. Any time they played, they had to shine the other 2, which wasn't easy.

Miller was clearly not good enough. Djemba-Djemba actually started well but was too inconsistent and Kleberson just looked out of place.

They were Fergie's worst signings ever but maybe they just came at a bad time.
 

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Yes i agree with that also we should of given Forlan another season just like Pool should of given Moriontes another half a season. Forlan looked OK and i can still remember that goal he scored against Chelsea (volley) Veron chipped it over and he finished it the last minute as well :D
 
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